Snap General Election Announced Today

[Bluto10]

But the worst that's going to happen if your football team is shite is you have a depressing saturday near every week (as we all full well fucking know). You support a political party and you could well fuck up a generation.

 

 

 

It's also incredible that Shooftah is an actual person. Reminds me of Wull. Thinking of those 2 in this thread makes me question whether democracy is a good idea...

Is that not the case with you voting for independence?

Agreed on the last point - 99% of folk shouldn't vote

[Pudgie]

Is that not the case with you voting for independence?

Agreed on the last point - 99% of folk shouldn't vote

Nope.

 

 

but aye.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

 

Its no wonder education, health, emergency services etc are suffering all over the UK when the budget has been cut year on year for almost a decade now under Conservative PM's.

 

Excuses, excuses.

 

So the performance of the SNP Government has no bearing whatsoever on education, or any of the other areas you mention?***

 

Standards in these areas are purely down to whatever money Westminster sends north, despite the comprehensive range of powers and means of generating revenue which Holyrood has?

 

Pull the other one!

 

(***if that were true then you would be admitting Holyrood is pointless and we should revert to Westmintser only)

[Pudgie]

Silk purse

Sow' s ear

[V for Vendetta]

I don't understand the hatred of the tories in Aberdeen. A lot of SNP folk on this site aren't even old enough to remember the poll tax, the main reason they are despised up here despite the poll tax being a fairer system than the shitty council tax system we have now. Aberdeen done pretty well under the tory government if i remember. It enabled my parents to get on the property ladder by buying their council house.

 

Are folk on here actually affected by the tory policys like "bedroom tax" etc or are they just taking offence on behalf of "the poor"? I suspect it's the latter.

 

In my lifetime i have voted Labour, Tory and SNP. I will never vote liberal though lol, I think political views change as you get older and your circumstances change. I don't understand these folk who vote for one party their entire life especially those who do it because their dad was labour or whatever.

 

So in summary you think the Tories privatising the NHS, forming secretive transatlantic organisations to manipulate international law makers, abusing the election costs limits in the last election (with as many as 30 current MPs under investigation by the police) and generally doing everything they can to reduce rights of workers and citizens at every step is all good?

 

I suspect your problem is you just aren't paying enough attention to whats actually happening in the country and are either not to bothered about the details or are getting your impression of the what this right wing government is doing from the wrong media sources.

 

Maybe consider its feck all to do with people taking offence or being trendy or whatever Bluto mentioned and actually to do with people being better informed than you are and forming an opinion of this government on what they know rather than some historical position as you suggest.

[tightbreeks]

portugal looks like a great place to be, a forward thinking country. their carpet rug policy being a ray of hope in a bleak outlook of clarkson, dacre and that nonce farage fear mongering.

 

Come on Scotland, we used to be the enlightened ones! The radical road and that. I better stop thinking or I'll get chucked in a gulag.

[beer gut]

 

So in summary you think the Tories privatising the NHS, forming secretive transatlantic organisations to manipulate international law makers, abusing the election costs limits in the last election (with as many as 30 current MPs under investigation by the police) and generally doing everything they can to reduce rights of workers and citizens at every step is all good?

 

I suspect your problem is you just aren't paying enough attention to whats actually happening in the country and are either not to bothered about the details or are getting your impression of the what this right wing government is doing from the wrong media sources.

 

Maybe consider its feck all to do with people taking offence or being trendy or whatever Bluto mentioned and actually to do with people being better informed than you are and forming an opinion of this government on what they know rather than some historical position as you suggest.

 

 

Wow how can you get so riled about that post I was not having a go at anyone. Most of your post is complete pish anyway. The SNP run the NHS up here, albeit on a budget provided by Westminster but they chose to introduce free prescriptions etc.

 

What i know is under the tories i would be paying less tax but the SNP fucked me by not reciprocating the same tax rate up here. This is at a time when my wife and myself was made redundant and i had to change job and take a 25% pay cut so thanks snp

 

I'm not saying i agree with everything the tories say or do but i dont agree with everything the SNP say and do.

[spamspamspam]

 

Excuses, excuses.

 

So the performance of the SNP Government has no bearing whatsoever on education, or any of the other areas you mention?***

 

Standards in these areas are purely down to whatever money Westminster sends north, despite the comprehensive range of powers and means of generating revenue which Holyrood has?

 

Pull the other one!

 

(***if that were true then you would be admitting Holyrood is pointless and we should revert to Westmintser only)

 

How will voting Conservative in the GE improve Scottish education standards?

 

The income tax powers have only just came in. 2 weeks and 1 day ago to be exact.

[Foster14]

 

 

Wow how can you get so riled about that post I was not having a go at anyone. Most of your post is complete pish anyway. The SNP run the NHS up here, albeit on a budget provided by Westminster but they chose to introduce free prescriptions etc.

 

What i know is under the tories i would be paying less tax but the SNP fucked me by not reciprocating the same tax rate up here. This is at a time when my wife and myself was made redundant and i had to change job and take a 25% pay cut so thanks snp

 

I'm not saying i agree with everything the tories say or do but i dont agree with everything the SNP say and do.

 

I wouldn't agree it is fucking anyone, we are talking £400 difference in take home pay when you are earning over £43,000 a year. £33 a month. That isn't fucking anyone. It was an easy target though, rather than perhaps looking at the rates amongst higher earners.

[spamspamspam]

 

 

Wow how can you get so riled about that post I was not having a go at anyone. Most of your post is complete pish anyway. The SNP run the NHS up here, albeit on a budget provided by Westminster but they chose to introduce free prescriptions etc.

 

What i know is under the tories i would be paying less tax but the SNP fucked me by not reciprocating the same tax rate up here. This is at a time when my wife and myself was made redundant and i had to change job and take a 25% pay cut so thanks snp

 

I'm not saying i agree with everything the tories say or do but i dont agree with everything the SNP say and do.

 

The Scottish NHS outperforms the English NHS almost any way you look at it.

 

If your wife isnt working take her tax allowance. It adds a few grand to your tax code and reduces your monthly tax. You can switch it back if/when she starts working again.

 

You are not paying more tax than you did in March though and these plans have been in place for a while so its not like you were planning to spend it and then it was taken off you. Its not a tax rise, its a tax freeze. The Conservatives rased the cut off for the 40% rate by £2000, the SNP didnt, partly to try and make sure our NHS can still outperform Englands.

 

Council taxes have gone up all over the UK. The shire has put mine up 25% this year - arseholes.

[Pudgie]

 

I wouldn't agree it is fucking anyone, we are talking £400 difference in take home pay when you are earning over £43,000 a year. £33 a month. That isn't fucking anyone. It was an easy target though, rather than perhaps looking at the rates amongst higher earners.

Is there not a flat rate percentage increase that could work for everyone? You stick 0.2% of everyone's earnings up every so often and you end up without having to pick and choose parts of society to hit.

 

It's fucking stupidity. Much like our "price freezes" in season tickets. We've ended up with a big jump for some people and it's toys out of the pram from them.

[tightbreeks]

Edinburgh is going to have a nice big copper ribbon shit built where the St James centre used to be. The old building was a horror but someone is having a laugh now.

 

A big comedy shit right in the middle of the capital, class. Unesco will be watching...

[DD1903]

Is there not a flat rate percentage increase that could work for everyone? You stick 0.2% of everyone's earnings up every so often and you end up without having to pick and choose parts of society to hit.

 

It's fucking stupidity. Much like our "price freezes" in season tickets. We've ended up with a big jump for some people and it's toys out of the pram from them.

But taxing everyone doesn't suit socialism, pudgie!

[beer gut]

 

The Scottish NHS outperforms the English NHS almost any way you look at it.

 

If your wife isn't working take her tax allowance. It adds a few grand to your tax code and reduces your monthly tax. You can switch it back if/when she starts working again.

 

You are not paying more tax than you did in March though and these plans have been in place for a while so its not like you were planning to spend it and then it was taken off you. Its not a tax rise, its a tax freeze. The Conservatives rased the cut off for the 40% rate by £2000, the SNP didnt, partly to try and make sure our NHS can still outperform Englands.

 

Council taxes have gone up all over the UK. The shire has put mine up 25% this year - arseholes.

Will have to investigate that. Every little helps. Cheers

[Pudgie]

But taxing everyone doesn't suit socialism, pudgie!

I don't particularly like banding policies together under one umbrella. It just makes things easier to argue against. "Right, we need to bomb this new Nazi gadgies and take Hitler II out before it gets to be a problem". "Well that's not very leftist Mr Corbyn". It's silly. Just debate things on it's individual merits. Oh, and fuck nae being able to agree with the opposition. Not everything the Tories do is horrid and not everything the SNP do will be fantastic.

[DD1903]

I don't particularly like banding policies together under one umbrella. It just makes things easier to argue against. "Right, we need to bomb this new Nazi gadgies and take Hitler II out before it gets to be a problem". "Well that's not very leftist Mr Corbyn". It's silly. Just debate things on it's individual merits. Oh, and fuck nae being able to agree with the opposition. Not everything the Tories do is horrid and not everything the SNP do will be fantastic.

What would you describe this policy as then?

 

The SNP are a very left/socialist minded party

[Pudgie]

What would you describe this policy as then?

 

The SNP are a very left/socialist minded party

Common fucking sense as far as I can see. I'll gladly be proved wrong like.

 

 

Yeah, most of the SNP's decisions see them leaning to the left. Fuck knows where Labour are of the scale at the moment though. They seem to be trying to pull both ways depending on what section of the party you look at.

[Foster14]

What would you describe this policy as then?

 

The SNP are a very left/socialist minded party

 

It's an appeasement to those that want to see the SNP exercise it's income tax powers without doing something as drastic as changing the rate % to create a much more visual disparity between here and the rest of the UK.

 

So a sneaky, flies below the radar policy.

[V for Vendetta]

 

It's an appeasement to those that want to see the SNP exercise it's income tax powers without doing something as drastic as changing the rate % to create a much more visual disparity between here and the rest of the UK.

 

So a sneaky, flies below the radar policy.

 

Or just a sensible balanced one?

 

Not every part has to be far left or far right, there is a middle ground and as pudgie says plenty of room for common sense and looking at each issue on its merits.

[Foster14]

Common fucking sense as far as I can see. I'll gladly be proved wrong like.

 

 

Yeah, most of the SNP's decisions see them leaning to the left. Fuck knows where Labour are of the scale at the moment though. They seem to be trying to pull both ways depending on what section of the party you look at.

 

Common sense perhaps, but while we remain part of the UK, there will always be a deeper analysis of tax disparity.

 

Also, from a common sense perspective, there is now a real ideological issue with incremental tax. Ideologically, there is a common acceptance that as you earn more, you should pay more in tax (or at worst, it should remain the same). We now have a position whereby taxpayers between £43,000 and £45,000 will pay 52% of their salary in tax and NI. Broadly the tax and NI payable will be:

 

£0 - £8,164 - 0%

£8,164 - £11,500 - 12%

£11,500 - £43,000 - 32%

£43,000 - £45,000 - 52%

£45,000 - £150,000 - 42%

 

It's an anomaly that comes from Westminster retaining power of NI thresholds but relinquishing income tax thresholds. It isn't really a huge deal as it covers such a reasonably small banding, but it does raise the question raise a question for someone earning £45,000; "Why should I pay 52% tax on my last £2k of earnings, while someone earning £145,000 pays only 42% tax on their last £2k of earnings?"

[DD1903]

Common fucking sense as far as I can see. I'll gladly be proved wrong like.

 

 

Yeah, most of the SNP's decisions see them leaning to the left. Fuck knows where Labour are of the scale at the moment though. They seem to be trying to pull both ways depending on what section of the party you look at.

Sorry, what makes sense? The snp's policy? I thought your post implied you disagreed with it, since you were proposing the % thing.

[Pudgie]

 

Common sense perhaps, but while we remain part of the UK, there will always be a deeper analysis of tax disparity.

 

Also, from a common sense perspective, there is now a real ideological issue with incremental tax. Ideologically, there is a common acceptance that as you earn more, you should pay more in tax (or at worst, it should remain the same). We now have a position whereby taxpayers between £43,000 and £45,000 will pay 52% of their salary in tax and NI. Broadly the tax and NI payable will be:

 

£0 - £8,164 - 0%

£8,164 - £11,500 - 12%

£11,500 - £43,000 - 32%

£43,000 - £45,000 - 52%

£45,000 - £150,000 - 42%

 

It's an anomaly that comes from Westminster retaining power of NI thresholds but relinquishing income tax thresholds. It isn't really a huge deal as it covers such a reasonably small banding, but it does raise the question raise a question for someone earning £45,000; "Why should I pay 52% tax on my last £2k of earnings, while someone earning £145,000 pays only 42% tax on their last £2k of earnings?"

It would be interesting to see what the flat % rate would need to be to take in the same as above. It's not something that could be changed overnight but as part of a 10ish year plan it's certainly possible in theory.

 

 

Sorry, what makes sense? The snp's policy? I thought your post implied you disagreed with it, since you were proposing the % thing.

I thought you were discussing my fictitious policy, my bad.

 

I'd say it's certainly left leaning but then being dragged back to the right by the upper bracket being lower. Odd.

[mcdougall(4)]

Edinburgh is going to have a nice big copper ribbon shit built where the St James centre used to be. The old building was a horror but someone is having a laugh now.

 

A big comedy shit right in the middle of the capital, class. Unesco will be watching...

 

you're just discovering this

 

look at the plans for the royal high if you want a real laugh

[Foster14]

 

Or just a sensible balanced one?

 

Not every part has to be far left or far right, there is a middle ground and as pudgie says plenty of room for common sense and looking at each issue on its merits.

 

I've already said I'm broadly for it, I just think the method of it wasn't well thought out, and the main reason for that is not having full autonomy over all the mechanisms of the PAYE tax system. Which is just a nonsense. You can change tax rates, but not the personal allowance kinda ties the hands of the Scottish government in doing too much different from the UK.

[Big Man]

 

you're just discovering this

 

look at the plans for the royal high if you want a real laugh

 

Sorry min, what is this?

[mcdougall(4)]

What would you describe this policy as then?

 

The SNP are a very left/socialist minded party

 

they really aren't

 

their policies are way more to attract the middle class than help the poor

 

look at all the giveaways - prescriptions, eye tests, tuition fees

[Foster14]

I thought you were discussing my fictitious policy, my bad.

 

I'd say it's certainly left leaning but then being dragged back to the right by the upper bracket being lower. Odd.

 

Upper bracket being lower? The only difference between Scotland and the UK is that the basic rate (20%) band has been reduced by £2k and the Higher rate (40%) extended by £2k. The Additional rate (45%) kicks in at £150k for all parts of the UK.

[mcdougall(4)]

 

Sorry min, what is this?

 

the royal high school on calton hill - they want to turn it into a fuck knows what shit hotel

 

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/fresh-royal-high-school-hotel-plans-fail-to-sway-rivals-1-4370151

 

 

alternative is a music school but no one gets back handers from that

[tightbreeks]

It's been around for a wee whiley and why no one has had a good dig at it is beyond me. The jobby.

 

The old royal high should've been the parliament, not the dumbiedykes extension we have now. Adding sheet glass to the side of it and bastardising the whole thing, Jesus wept.

[V for Vendetta]

 

I've already said I'm broadly for it, I just think the method of it wasn't well thought out, and the main reason for that is not having full autonomy over all the mechanisms of the PAYE tax system. Which is just a nonsense. You can change tax rates, but not the personal allowance kinda ties the hands of the Scottish government in doing too much different from the UK.

 

Sorry Foster I didn't read back that far.

 

Its an odd situation to have been created right enough.