The worst songs you've heard

[BrianFaePerth]

10 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

You HONESTLY don't think those videos contribute to negative stereotypes of black men?

That’s just your racist stereotype.

Look at my man Westwood, nothing but positive vibes. 

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2 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Not every black person features in those videos, you'll be surprised to know. 

Soundgarden and Pearl Jam are a disgrace to music. Awful. 
 

I thought you were a man of taste. 

Soundgarden are an elite level band. 

 

They even let an ethnic play guitar, you should like them. 

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50 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

What do you think white kids are listening to?

Hopefully none of that shit above. 

[Ke1t]

7 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Some of them are listening to black men mumbling about about drug dealing, stabbing people, shooting people and raping women.

Helps to reinforce the stereotype. That's the point I'm making, badly it would seem.

It's not 'some', it's a huge number.

The largest consumer of rap music is white kids, and in large part middle class white kids. 

There's also a large number of white rap artists, like that Machine Gun Kelly abortion, thon G-Easy spud, and the Tekashi69 snitch, to name just a few of the current acts I 'get' to listen to when I'm driving my kid around to school fitba, his girlfriend, his MMA, the mall, his mates, sports matches, driving lessons, and every other fucking thing that takes up half my life at this point. 

The perception might be that this is a black thing, but there's been a shift towards the target demographic in recent years, because if you're trying to sell your shit, who do you think the bigger market is with the greater disposable income... poor urban black kids or rich suburban white kids. 

 

[Ke1t]

Just now, cheesepipes said:

Hopefully none of that shit above. 

Well, you're in for one of those disappointments that periodically come along. 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

You HONESTLY don't think those videos contribute to negative stereotypes of black men?

They do, but that's doesn't make what you're saying a fair argument. 
 

Anyone looking at videos like that and stereotyping all black men are idiots. The problem is with the stereotypers, not those being stereotyped. 

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

They do, but that's doesn't make what you're saying a fair argument. 
 

Anyone looking at videos like that and stereotyping all black men are idiots. The problem is with the stereotypers, not those being stereotyped. 

I'm not saying it's a fair argument, I'm saying it's a factual argument. These videos make negative stereotypes worse.

[manboobs109]

6 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

It's not 'some', it's a huge number.

The largest consumer of rap music is white kids, and in large part middle class white kids. 

There's also a large number of white rap artists, like that Machine Gun Kelly abortion, thon G-Easy spud, and the Tekashi69 snitch, to name just a few of the current acts I 'get' to listen to when I'm driving my kid around to school fitba, his girlfriend, his MMA, the mall, his mates, sports matches, driving lessons, and every other fucking thing that takes up half my life at this point. 

The perception might be that this is a black thing, but there's been a shift towards the target demographic in recent years, because if you're trying to sell your shit, who do you think the bigger market is with the greater disposable income... poor urban black kids or rich suburban white kids. 

 

Not denying any of that. My point is about these UK drill videos reinforcing negative stereotypes of black men.

Edit -that wasn't my original point, that was that they are absolutely fucking garbage.

 

[Ke1t]

2 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Not denying any of that. My point is about these UK drill videos reinforcing negative stereotypes of black men.

 

You make a reasonable point. However, it's contingent upon the authorities to not act upon negative black stereotypes in the same way they don't act on negative stereotypes towards Jews, Asians, Gays, Scots, or Muslims. 

Stereotype isn't a valid justification for harassment or victimisation. 

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

I'm not saying it's a fair argument, I'm saying it's a factual argument. These videos make negative stereotypes worse.

But that's not their problem? Are you saying they should act in a way so they don't get racially stereotyped? 
 

Like saying to a lassie don't wear a short skirt if you don't want raped.

 

A silly angle to approach it from

[manboobs109]

In an ideal world of course that wouldn't happen. In an ideal world that genre of music wouldn't exist either.

[manboobs109]

8 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

But that's not their problem? Are you saying they should act in a way so they don't get racially stereotyped? 
 

Like saying to a lassie don't wear a short skirt if you don't want raped.

 

A silly angle to approach it from

Fuck sake you are very hard work. 

Yes I am saying that, either that or stop their fucking moaning.

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

Fuck sake you are very hard work. 

 

Or, you just make daft arguments all the time that don't make much sense. 

[manboobs109]

2 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Or, you just make daft arguments all the time that don't make much sense. 

Why you've admitted what I've said is correct, those videos contribute to negative stereotypes, the only difference is you find fault with the viewers where I find fault with the masked mumbling halfwits dancing about with guns and knives.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Why you've admitted what I've said is correct, those videos contribute to negative stereotypes, the only difference is you find fault with the viewers where I find fault with the masked mumbling halfwits dancing about with guns and knives.

It's their own fault they get stereotypes? 
 

Get off are rock ??

[manboobs109]

7 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

It's their own fault they get stereotypes? 
 

Get off are rock ??

No but it's some of their fault they are reinforced.

Genuine question, please answer honestly, would it be OK for a white artist to have lots of black people jumping about with knives and guns in their video?

If not why not?

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

No but it's some of their fault they are reinforced.

Genuine question, please answer honestly, would it be OK for a white artist to have lots of black people jumping about with knives and guns in their video?

If not why not?

Not getting into this whatabouttery you like to drag folks into. 
 

You've said it's their own fault for getting stereotyped. 
 

Load of guff. 

[manboobs109]

2 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Not getting into this whatabouttery you like to drag folks into. 
 

You've said it's their own fault for getting stereotyped. 
 

Load of guff. 

No I've said it's the fault of the people making those videos that these stereotypes are reinforced. You've agreed on that.

Edit - the reason you're not getting drawn into it is you can already see the point I'm making and know I'm right although you wouldn't be able to admit it.

[Ke1t]

10 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

No but it's some of their fault they are reinforced.

Genuine question, please answer honestly, would it be OK for a white artist to have lots of black people jumping about with knives and guns in their video?

If not why not?

Is that really still a thing, though?

I think way back when, you had NWA and the like waving AKs maybe, but now it all about bling, bitches, and bills, yo. 

You'd be hard pressed to find much else, regardless of the colour of the 'artist'. 

Although... 

 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

No I've said it's the fault of the people making those videos that these stereotypes are reinforced. You've agreed on that.

Edit - the reason you're not getting drawn into it is you can already see the point I'm making and know I'm right although you wouldn't be able to admit it.

Not even close to being the case. 
 

I didn't agree it was their fault, I agreed the videos reinforced stereotypes, because idiots like yourself stereotype people based off snippets of media they see. 

[Ke1t]

Bohemian Rhapsody is absolute shite. 

 

 

[manboobs109]

34 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Is that really still a thing, though?

I think way back when, you had NWA and the like waving AKs maybe, but now it all about bling, bitches, and bills, yo. 

You'd be hard pressed to find much else, regardless of the colour of the 'artist'. 

Although... 

 

You've not watched those links I posted have you?

[manboobs109]

30 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Not even close to being the case. 
 

I didn't agree it was their fault, I agreed the videos reinforced stereotypes, because idiots like yourself stereotype people based off snippets of media they see. 

Like you do with white middle aged men?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

Like you do with white middle aged men?

Last time you got stopped and searched, fatso?

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1 minute ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Last time you got stopped and searched, fatso?

That whole black stopped n searched fad faded out about 6 months ago. 

 

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Last time you got stopped and searched, fatso?

About 5 years ago Consi. That wasn't the point I was making. I'm saying you stereotype people based on snippets of media.

It's where the gammon thing came from. Obviously not the gammon lads fault, it's yours for being a bigot.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

About 5 years ago Consi. That wasn't the point I was making. I'm saying you stereotype people based on snippets of media.

It's where the gammon thing came from. Obviously not the gammon lads fault, it's yours for being a bigot.

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[Ke1t]

13 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

You've not watched those links I posted have you?

Haven't seen any links posted by you. 

Presumably they're dark-skinned gentlemen brandishing firearms. 

I'd guess that's the exception rather than the rule, since any time I've been subjected to the rap videos it's chicks shaking their arses and guys with gold teeth dropping money on the ground, with the routine gratuitous "Nigga" thrown in for formulaic effect. 

So, if any stereotype is reinforced by rap videos, it's primarily that black men all have poor dental hygiene, wear women's floor-length fur coats, are self-hating racists,  and have Parkinson's disease. 

 

[manboobs109]

2 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Haven't seen any links posted by you. 

Presumably they're dark-skinned gentlemen brandishing firearms. 

I'd guess that's the exception rather than the rule, since any time I've been subjected to the rap videos it's chicks shaking their arses and guys with gold teeth dropping money on the ground, with the routine gratuitous "Nigga" thrown in for formulaic effect. 

So, if any stereotype is reinforced by rap videos, it's primarily that black men all have poor dental hygiene, wear women's floor-length fur coats, are self-hating racists,  and have Parkinson's disease. 

 

Aye it's a specific thing over here. The only reason I'm aware of them is that there was a debate on radio about the BBC playing some song that referenced a real life murder. Not long after that Radio 6 played one of the fucking shite songs with every second word censored. I did a bit YouTube digging and here we are, me and Consi having another interminable argument.

[Ke1t]

4 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Aye it's a specific thing over here. The only reason I'm aware of them is that there was a debate on radio about the BBC playing some song that referenced a real life murder. Not long after that Radio 6 played one of the fucking shite songs with every second word censored. I did a bit YouTube digging and here we are, me and Consi having another interminable argument.

It's important that we approach every subject with an open mind, aware that new information can always prove our position or opinion to be wrong. 

Even I struggle with this philosophy, but that's primarily because I tend to be right about everything. 

The perception, as you say, is that black subculture is Guns, Money, and Violence, with the odd Bitch thrown in for a bit of misogynistic effect. That's the mainstream perception among Whitey in their suburban enclaves. But the reality is that it's just teen subculture, and transcends colour. Eventually that will hit the collective conscious, and people will just hate teenagers more, regardless of colour... which is fine, because they're fucking dreadful.