manboobs109 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Parklife said: I may be wrong but I don't think we knew those things about a vaccination for anything until we started using it. Yet we developed them, used them, refined them and got them to be very effective for a whole manner of things. In a few months? Name the disease. 1 Link to comment
Don Fonte Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: In a few months? Name the disease. AIDS 1 Link to comment
NEM Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: In a few months? Name the disease. This years flu vaccine seems to be pretty effective...... ? 1 Link to comment
Parklife Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: In a few months? Name the disease. I never said in a few months, no. Your post says "what a load of shit this vaccine chat is", are you only referring to this initial batch and believe it'll be refined and improved (as I said above about other vaccines) and become more effective? Or was your post about a vaccine in perpetuity? Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Parklife said: I never said in a few months, no. Your post says "what a load of shit this vaccine chat is", are you only referring to this initial batch and believe it'll be refined and improved (as I said above about other vaccines) and become more effective? Or was your post about a vaccine in perpetuity? I mean the chat that we'll be free of restrictions next year because of the vaccine. We won't. Maybe in a few years. Link to comment
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Poodler Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Parklife said: No one claimed they are 100% effective, did they? ? come away. Theyve been very misleading with their 95% nonsense Link to comment
Parklife Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Poodler said: ? come away. Theyve been very misleading with their 95% nonsense They maybe have, I've not got a clue about that. No one claimed they're 100% effective though, so saying they're a lot of shit because someone got Covid after 1/2 a vaccine doesn't make sense. Link to comment
Ohjimmyjimmy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 From the trials of ~21k participants it was 52% efficacy after 1 dose - increasing to 95% after the second dose. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said: From the trials of ~21k participants it was 52% efficacy after 1 dose - increasing to 95% after the second dose. The way they measured that is dodgy imo. Did it take into account other measures taken by the vaccine group and the placebo group? I'm presuming both groups followed all precautions, makes you wonder how any of the participants caught it at all. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Parklife said: They maybe have, I've not got a clue about that. No one claimed they're 100% effective though, so saying they're a lot of shit because someone got Covid after 1/2 a vaccine doesn't make sense. I'm saying it's a lot of shit because it won't change anything anywhere near as quickly as is being claimed. Link to comment
Ohjimmyjimmy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: The way they measured that is dodgy imo. Did it take into account other measures taken by the vaccine group and the placebo group? I'm presuming both groups followed all precautions, makes you wonder how any of the participants caught it at all. I’ve got no idea, you’d have to read the paper in the BMJ - I’m sure it’ll go into the details of the trial. It’s been peer reviewed and I’m sure heavily scrutinised so that’s good enough for me unless any experts on here have a different view with similar credentials . Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said: I’ve got no idea, you’d have to read the paper in the BMJ - I’m sure it’ll go into the details of the trial. It’s been peer reviewed and I’m sure heavily scrutinised so that’s good enough for me unless any experts on here have a different view with similar credentials . No harm in asking questions OJJ. You could've just left it at "I've no idea" the rest of your reply is just waffle. Link to comment
Ohjimmyjimmy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 You ask questions with no interest in finding out the answer. The rest of the post points out where you might find the answer, unless of course anyone else on here knows better. 1 Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said: You ask questions with no interest in finding out the answer. The rest of the post points out where you might find the answer, unless of course anyone else on here knows better. Ultimately no one knows how effective the vaccine is yet. Might turn out to be 100% effective at preventing serious illness. Like I've said before it's all guesswork. Link to comment
jamiesd Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Thats it though. This is a dna altering vaccine. First of its kind. Let me know how it goes..... Link to comment
Ohjimmyjimmy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, jamiesd said: Thats it though. This is a dna altering vaccine. First of its kind. Let me know how it goes..... 1 1 Link to comment
Poodler Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: Ultimately no one knows how effective the vaccine is yet. Might turn out to be 100% effective at preventing serious illness. Like I've said before it's all guesswork. It wasn't tested on immuno- suppressed people. they may explode. Or worse yet, start a business in westhill and become really bad at pleasuring women 1 Link to comment
jamiesd Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Poodler said: It wasn't tested on immuno- suppressed people. they may explode. Or worse yet, start a business in westhill and become really bad at pleasuring women Or join the hat ? Link to comment
1903Fitba Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, jamiesd said: Thats it though. This is a dna altering vaccine. First of its kind. Let me know how it goes..... Hook line sinker Link to comment
Parklife Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: Ultimately no one knows how effective the vaccine is yet. Might turn out to be 100% effective at preventing serious illness. Like I've said before it's all guesswork. It's not "all guesswork" though. The results of large scale scientific trials aren't "all guesswork". Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Parklife said: It's not "all guesswork" though. The results of large scale scientific trials aren't "all guesswork". So they know 100% for certain how effective they are yes? Link to comment
Parklife Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: So they know 100% for certain how effective they are yes? No but they haven't "guessed", they've carried out a large scale study and are basing they're efficacy rates on those The two options aren't "guess" or "know 100% for certain", as you well know. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Parklife said: No but they haven't "guessed", they've carried out a large scale study and are basing they're efficacy rates on those The two options aren't "guess" or "know 100% for certain", as you well know. So there is an element of guesswork, as YOU well know. The can't know how effective it is. It's impossible at this stage, it's as simple as that. 1 Link to comment
jamiesd Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Its well known that the flu vaccine is only 48-52% effective. So god knows what the actual effectiveness of this one will be. As others have said time will tell i guess. The nibs at Westminster put a bill in to extend lockdown right up to 31st of March as they were only covered till end of Feb. So i'd say we are looking at a long couple of months if Scotland follow suit Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, jamiesd said: Its well known that the flu vaccine is only 48-52% effective. So god knows what the actual effectiveness of this one will be. As others have said time will tell i guess. The nibs at Westminster put a bill in to extend lockdown right up to 31st of March as they were only covered till end of Feb. So i'd say we are looking at a long couple of months if Scotland follow suit And that effectiveness is only on the strain it's designed for. It's been as low as 10 - 15% effective overall. 95% this one though. Link to comment
Parklife Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, manboobs109 said: So there is an element of guesswork, as YOU well know. The can't know how effective it is. It's impossible at this stage, it's as simple as that. So your characterisation of anything that we're not "100% certain" of is "all guesswork"? LOL Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Parklife said: So your characterisation of anything that we're not "100% certain" of is "all guesswork"? LOL I'm missing your point Parky. Are you saying we know how effective the vaccine will be? Link to comment
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