Coronavirus

[tutankamun]

14 minutes ago, Bad_Mobby said:

You’re aff your heid 

Just posting a mainstream news story lol.

[tutankamun]

8 minutes ago, Bad_Mobby said:

 You’re my favourite Mod

FFS

24hr ban

[maryhilldon]

I always said the cure would be worse than the disease. It's fucked up the NHS for years, the backlog is frightening.

[tutankamun]

16 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

I always said the cure would be worse than the disease. It's fucked up the NHS for years, the backlog is frightening.

‘Cure’ lol

They knew lockdown would fuck the NHS / economy for(ever) years and they knew it was just the common cold. 

[manboobs109]

6 hours ago, tutankamun said:

Oh dear. Who could’ve predicted this? 

@manboobs109

 

Aye. I was laughed at when I said it would finish off pubs as well. They are dropping like flies just now.

[jamiesd]

No suprises, but at least we Stayed Safe LOLZ

Be interesting to see how hard the shots are pushed at my work this year.

[CCB III]

8 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

I always said the cure would be worse than the disease. It's fucked up the NHS for years, the backlog is frightening.

Blaming that on COVID alone is daft. 
 

Over a decade of chronic and deliberate mismanagement by the UKGOV and ScotGov are responsible for that. 
 

COVID has compounded the issue but if the NHS was funded as highly as could be, and worked solely to the benefit of its stakeholders, not the politicians trying to whore it out to private markets, it wouldn't be a problem. 
 

It can't be ran on a corporate model, it's aim isn't to make profit. 
 

This is what happens after years of neglect. 

[CCB III]

9 hours ago, tutankamun said:

Oh dear. Who could’ve predicted this? 

@manboobs109

 

Let me ask this in good faith, is the article suggesting that lockdown killed more people than COVID (where a lockdown was enforced) or that the lockdown has killed more people than COVID even in the instance (hypothetical) where a lockdown wasn't enforced?

It's important to make that distinction, because you can get two different answers. 
 

For example, just going to pull numbers out my arse here for the sake of the example, if lockdown reduced COVID deaths to 100,000 say, and there were collateral deaths to the same tune, then sadly, 200,000 people have died. 
 

Now let's say there was no lockdown, therefore, no collateral deaths, but the death by COVID is up at 300,000, then people would be saying there should've been a lockdown, no?

 

Im not advocating for either way I've made my feelings known on it, I just think it's important to view it in the right context. 
 

 

[Ramandu]

8 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Blaming that on COVID alone is daft. 
 

Over a decade of chronic and deliberate mismanagement by the UKGOV and ScotGov are responsible for that. 
 

COVID has compounded the issue but if the NHS was funded as highly as could be, and worked solely to the benefit of its stakeholders, not the politicians trying to whore it out to private markets, it wouldn't be a problem. 
 

It can't be ran on a corporate model, it's aim isn't to make profit. 
 

This is what happens after years of neglect. 

Out of interest consi, how much do you think we should spend? UK's health spend is comparable to other developed countries*, so I'm not sure how it is neglected. Is there another country you'd prefer us to be like?

Not disagreeing with you about it being poorly run.

*Excluding USA, which spends way more and is a basket case when it comes to healthcare.

[Beachend Bootboy]

12 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

Out of interest consi, how much do you think we should spend? UK's health spend is comparable to other developed countries*, so I'm not sure how it is neglected. Is there another country you'd prefer us to be like?You're as about funny as cancer you yeh fuckin plowt

Not disagreeing with you about it being poorly run.

*Excluding USA, which spends way more and is a basket case when it comes to healthcare.

Probs, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba or the likes. Commie prick.

[CCB III]

Just now, Beachend Bootboy said:

Probs, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba or the likes. Commie prick.

Cuba has an excellent healthcare system. They developed their own vaccine and shared it with the world, patent free ??

 

The good guys.

[Beachend Bootboy]

4 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Cuba has an excellent healthcare system. They developed their own vaccine and shared it with the world, patent free ??

 

The good guys.

Fuckin knew it.  Fuck I can read you like a book.  Easy peasy.

[CCB III]

16 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

Out of interest consi, how much do you think we should spend? UK's health spend is comparable to other developed countries*, so I'm not sure how it is neglected. Is there another country you'd prefer us to be like?

Not disagreeing with you about it being poorly run.

*Excluding USA, which spends way more and is a basket case when it comes to healthcare.

I'd like us to be the best at it. 
 

Just because I'm critiquing the UK health service doesn't mean I think all other health services are incredible and without fault. 
 

It's clear there has been chronic underfunding, mismanagement and austerity politics that have hindered the NHS. 
 

So for a start, we should work to rectify that, and then see how it goes from there, if it significantly improves things. Naturally, there'd need to be a different government to do so, and Scotland would need full autonomy. 
 

The whole point of underfunding the NHS is to prime us all for privatisation. 
 

 

It needs to work on a what's required basis. It's unreasonable to expect absolutely no waiting time, but people waiting days for ambulances, days for urgent care categorically shouldn't happen. Fund it to a point where these issues are rectified, reorganise it to a point where these issues are rectified, and try iron out other problems. 
 

The amount of public money wasted in the name of "health" during the pandemic is frightening when you consider the state the NHS is in at this precise moment. 
 

It's all deliberate and we have to be careful.

 

 

 

[CCB III]

2 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Fuckin knew it.  Fuck I can read you like a book.  Easy peasy.

What? 
 
A socialist has a fondness for Cuba?

 

Wow, must've taken a lot of your brain power to work that een out!

[Beachend Bootboy]

Socialist? has a fondness for a Dictatorship.  Fuckin lolzeroonie??

Gimme yer money, I'm poor and needy.

[Beachend Bootboy]

?Oh, what an unexpected put down (pathetic attempt really).??

[CCB III]

2 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Socialist? has a fondness for a Dictatorship.  Fuckin lolzeroonie??

Gimme yer money, I'm poor and needy.

Every day you show everyone just how dumb you are. 
 

It's truly class.

[Ramandu]

2 hours ago, CCB III said:

I'd like us to be the best at it. 
 

Just because I'm critiquing the UK health service doesn't mean I think all other health services are incredible and without fault. 
 

It's clear there has been chronic underfunding, mismanagement and austerity politics that have hindered the NHS. 
 

So for a start, we should work to rectify that, and then see how it goes from there, if it significantly improves things. Naturally, there'd need to be a different government to do so, and Scotland would need full autonomy. 
 

The whole point of underfunding the NHS is to prime us all for privatisation. 
 

 

It needs to work on a what's required basis. It's unreasonable to expect absolutely no waiting time, but people waiting days for ambulances, days for urgent care categorically shouldn't happen. Fund it to a point where these issues are rectified, reorganise it to a point where these issues are rectified, and try iron out other problems. 
 

The amount of public money wasted in the name of "health" during the pandemic is frightening when you consider the state the NHS is in at this precise moment. 
 

It's all deliberate and we have to be careful.

 

I agree we should look at outcomes rather than the process. You're a socialist, you're inclined to look leftward. But the best healthcare outcomes in Europe come from countries that have private supply, but universal healthcare. So the government still pays, it's still free at point of use, but the suppliers are private. Pretty much every country in Europe has some form of this model.

The waiting times, the backlogs, the annual winter crisis, these things don't happen in France, Germany, Netherlands etc. They have better outcomes, because of better systems.

If it gives better results for similar money, why shouldn't we do it?

 

BTW there's always this fear of privatising the NHS, but it ain't happening. It's one of those vague fears that the ruling cabal is supposedly always about to do but never does.

[CCB III]

1 hour ago, Ramandu said:

I agree we should look at outcomes rather than the process. You're a socialist, you're inclined to look leftward. But the best healthcare outcomes in Europe come from countries that have private supply, but universal healthcare. So the government still pays, it's still free at point of use, but the suppliers are private. Pretty much every country in Europe has some form of this model.

The waiting times, the backlogs, the annual winter crisis, these things don't happen in France, Germany, Netherlands etc. They have better outcomes, because of better systems.

If it gives better results for similar money, why shouldn't we do it?

 

BTW there's always this fear of privatising the NHS, but it ain't happening. It's one of those vague fears that the ruling cabal is supposedly always about to do but never does.

I fully understand that an NHS in full public ownership will have to deal with the private market, that's the world we live in. 
 

What I don't agree with is ANY part of the NHS being owned privately and ran for profit, as we're seeing with some of our GP offices.

https://www.gponline.com/government-halt-stealth-privatisation-dozens-gp-practices-warns-labour/article/1708722

The waiting times, backlogs etc are a hallmark of the factional privatisation we're told is good, as well as the insistence that there is no "money tree" or some such other nonsense. They've become worse over the last 12 years, when ran by the party obsessed with capital. 
 

We should look to other models for sure, and totally revamp our NHS. 
 

Regarding your last point, they said the same about rail, the post office, our energy. 
 

We need to be vigilant, they'll never outright say "hey, we're privatising this" but will slowly manufacture our consent, or do it under a functional guise. 
 

 

 

 

[Ramandu]

1 hour ago, CCB III said:

I fully understand that an NHS in full public ownership will have to deal with the private market, that's the world we live in. 
 

What I don't agree with is ANY part of the NHS being owned privately and ran for profit, as we're seeing with some of our GP offices.

https://www.gponline.com/government-halt-stealth-privatisation-dozens-gp-practices-warns-labour/article/1708722

The waiting times, backlogs etc are a hallmark of the factional privatisation we're told is good, as well as the insistence that there is no "money tree" or some such other nonsense. They've become worse over the last 12 years, when ran by the party obsessed with capital. 
 

We should look to other models for sure, and totally revamp our NHS. 
 

Regarding your last point, they said the same about rail, the post office, our energy. 
 

We need to be vigilant, they'll never outright say "hey, we're privatising this" but will slowly manufacture our consent, or do it under a functional guise. 

I'd see the waiting times we have as a function of a top down system, which no amount of government interventions can solve. Let's have the Dutch system instead!

To be clear, I'd love to have private suppliers providing health instead of the NHS, because I think it'd lead to better health outcomes. But by saying that, I bar myself from any political career- there's no way an MP could express that view and survive.

If it was likely to lead to better healthcare for all, would you be happy with it being privatised?

[CCB III]

1 minute ago, Ramandu said:

I'd see the waiting times we have as a function of a top down system, which no amount of government interventions can solve. Let's have the Dutch system instead!

To be clear, I'd love to have private suppliers providing health instead of the NHS, because I think it'd lead to better health outcomes. But by saying that, I bar myself from any political career- there's no way an MP could express that view and survive.

If it was likely to lead to better healthcare for all, would you be happy with it being privatised?

The waiting times could be solved with better funding, training, etc etc. 

 

I disagree it would provide better health outcomes.

 

If you could show me an example where a healthcare service is entirely privatised like in the states, and the person is put before profit, I'm all ears. 
 

What happens when these private companies fail? When the market crashes? When the pharmaceuticals need their margins widened and start charging out of pocket for medicine?

 

The whole point of the NHS is to be a security blanket, if the market fails, it's still there, if there's another recession (which is coming) it's still there, you lose your job? Still there. 
 

I can't see a case for a privately ran NHS. 

[Ramandu]

6 hours ago, CCB III said:

The waiting times could be solved with better funding, training, etc etc. 

 

I disagree it would provide better health outcomes.

 

If you could show me an example where a healthcare service is entirely privatised like in the states, and the person is put before profit, I'm all ears. 
 

What happens when these private companies fail? When the market crashes? When the pharmaceuticals need their margins widened and start charging out of pocket for medicine?

 

The whole point of the NHS is to be a security blanket, if the market fails, it's still there, if there's another recession (which is coming) it's still there, you lose your job? Still there. 
 

I can't see a case for a privately ran NHS. 

What happens if a private supplier fails? They're removed from the market, and someone else does it better. Nobody in the public loses the service, and the resources are reallocated to a supplier who will use them more efficiently. What happens if an aspect of the NHS fails? It trundles on and on, and you get Mid Staffordshire, and people die needlessly. Things going bust is feature, not a bug.

Don't mention the USA, nobody wants that system. Instead compare us with e.g. the Dutch system, where it's entirely private suppliers, and free for everyone. What happens when they have a recession? Last time it carried on fine, people still got great healthcare. Or France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia. People don't die in the streets in these places when there's a downturn.

[Parklife]

6 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

What happens if a private supplier fails? They're removed from the market, and someone else does it better. Nobody in the public loses the service, and the resources are reallocated to a supplier who will use them more efficiently. What happens if an aspect of the NHS fails? It trundles on and on, and you get Mid Staffordshire, and people die needlessly. Things going bust is feature, not a bug.

Don't mention the USA, nobody wants that system. Instead compare us with e.g. the Dutch system, where it's entirely private suppliers, and free for everyone. What happens when they have a recession? Last time it carried on fine, people still got great healthcare. Or France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia. People don't die in the streets in these places when there's a downturn.

I find it mad that the biggest god botherers on here are massive Tories. 

Religion is some laugh. 

[Zeus]

Who gives a fuck?

The pandemic is over 

[CCB III]

32 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

What happens if a private supplier fails? They're removed from the market, and someone else does it better. Nobody in the public loses the service, and the resources are reallocated to a supplier who will use them more efficiently. What happens if an aspect of the NHS fails? It trundles on and on, and you get Mid Staffordshire, and people die needlessly. Things going bust is feature, not a bug.

Don't mention the USA, nobody wants that system. Instead compare us with e.g. the Dutch system, where it's entirely private suppliers, and free for everyone. What happens when they have a recession? Last time it carried on fine, people still got great healthcare. Or France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia. People don't die in the streets in these places when there's a downturn.

Point 1.) What is the point of private enterprise? To make profit. You seem very confident that for some reason, the NHS would be really well ran if privately owned or with further private involvement. It's bizarre when you consider the state of the rail, Mail and energy right now. These are glaring examples of the huge issue with privatisation. It needs funded on an as required basis as I said, not for profit. Profit will always put capital before people. The NHS needs more funding, it's really that simple. Not everything in the world has to be ran with capital interests. 

 

2.) OK, and the Dutch, Germans, French all have vastly superior public sectors. They've found a sweet spot between public and private markets. Namely because the psyche of their people is pretty different to ours.
 

In Britain, we're essentially still operating on the terms of class rule. Everything is open to capital to the detriment of people who need to use the service, so long as the capitalists are served and we stay servile. 
 

There's no evidence that bringing the NHS from public to private ownership will be anything than a fuckin disaster. 
 

 

Private companies are parasitical to our public sector. Namely because we have a government willing to let them in. 
 

37,000,000,000 on a failed track and trace is a great example of this. How much good could that misspent money have done for the NHS? 
 

37,000,000 and you could argue it's not that significant, but 37 BILLION. 
 

That's just what we know about as well. 

 

[CCB III]

9 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Point 1.) What is the point of private enterprise? To make profit. You seem very confident that for some reason, the NHS would be really well ran if privately owned or with further private involvement. It's bizarre when you consider the state of the rail, Mail and energy right now. These are glaring examples of the huge issue with privatisation. It needs funded on an as required basis as I said, not for profit. Profit will always put capital before people. The NHS needs more funding, it's really that simple. Not everything in the world has to be ran with capital interests. 

 

2.) OK, and the Dutch, Germans, French all have vastly superior public sectors. They've found a sweet spot between public and private markets. Namely because the psyche of their people is pretty different to ours.
 

In Britain, we're essentially still operating on the terms of class rule. Everything is open to capital to the detriment of people who need to use the service, so long as the capitalists are served and we stay servile. 
 

There's no evidence that bringing the NHS from public to private ownership will be anything than a fuckin disaster. 
 

 

Private companies are parasitical to our public sector. Namely because we have a government willing to let them in. 
 

37,000,000,000 on a failed track and trace is a great example of this. How much good could that misspent money have done for the NHS? 
 

37,000,000 and you could argue it's not that significant, but 37 BILLION. 
 

That's just what we know about as well. 

 

“If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me"

 

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

 

 

[tutankamun]

They just won’t let it go, Zeus has already told us the pandemic is over FFS.

Scientists issue renewed calls for Covid isolation and masks to return this winter to 'protect the NHS' as study finds people are infectious for longer than expected

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11126515/amp/Face-masks-Scientists-issue-calls-Covid-isolation-return-winter-protect-NHS.html

[CCB III]

12 minutes ago, tutankamun said:

They just won’t let it go, Zeus has already told us the pandemic is over FFS.

Scientists issue renewed calls for Covid isolation and masks to return this winter to 'protect the NHS' as study finds people are infectious for longer than expected

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11126515/amp/Face-masks-Scientists-issue-calls-Covid-isolation-return-winter-protect-NHS.html

Do you know why the daily Mail posts shit like that, why there's wall to wall media now? 
 

To infiltrate the brains of fodder cunts like you. 
 

Every time. 
 

"OMG DID YOU SEE THIS COVID AGHH"

 

Give over min

[CCB III]

12 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

Awa ti yer bed consi min

Just going bud xxx

 

night xxx

[tutankamun]

2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Do you know why the daily Mail posts shit like that, why there's wall to wall media now? 
 

To infiltrate the brains of fodder cunts like you. 
 

Every time. 
 

"OMG DID YOU SEE THIS COVID AGHH"

 

Give over min

But you’re the Covidian freak?

Ok you didn’t take the booster, well done.

Tony Blair the other day saying similar. As usual it’s a concerted effort by media, government and celebs to control us and vaxx us to the max.

Anyway. I’m not the one who will be affected by this crap, no masks or vaxx or bullshit for me Sonny Jim. 

Praise be