Proposed new stadium, by Aberdeen beach

[Millertime]

1 hour ago, aberdeen1970 said:

I like Wicks MT, so I'm not having a go at him. 

I just can't see us attracting lots of people early to games on a regular basis, it's just not in our DNA 

DNA can be altered 

[Betty Swallicks]

1 minute ago, Millertime said:

DNA can be altered 

By vaccines according to some on here a year ago. 

[aberdeen1970]

1 hour ago, Woolenrouge said:

Kingsford will kill the club IMO, got to be at the Beach for me.

FYI, 'Scottish Cup Classics' the 1982 SCF is being revisited by the Off The Ball guys at 7-7.30pm Freeview Channel 9 BBC Scotland.

That was my first cup final I went to. 

Extra time was absolutely immense. 

[Schapenneuker]

16 hours ago, muttonhumper said:

I can't see it being extortionate for say, a pint at the new ground.

Nae cunt would drink it in that case, so there would have to be a balance.

How much is it for a pint in Aberdeen city these days?
I should know as scoofed a couple of hundred on a recent lengthy trip there, but never concentrated that much on my change.

£4-ish in rougher / trad places? £5-6 in most others then £7 in extorting venues? Canna mind.

Flat rate £5 pint in plastic glass from een o those rapid pint serving machines should keep abody happy and turn a profit at same time.

Okay, maybe £5.50. ?
 

Guaranteed that you'll end up with cashless bars, and we'll all have to buy one of these cards from machines that you top up. 

That seems to be the money grabbing basturds method of choice when it comes to stadiums and big venues these days. 

 

[muttonhumper]

5 hours ago, Schapenneuker said:

Guaranteed that you'll end up with cashless bars, and we'll all have to buy one of these cards from machines that you top up. 

That seems to be the money grabbing basturds method of choice when it comes to stadiums and big venues these days. 

I think that would be fine, again if kept at reasonable price.

Would be more efficient in getting the beer flowing, as long as they set it up right.

 

 

 

[Gooby1983]

19 hours ago, Schapenneuker said:

Guaranteed that you'll end up with cashless bars, and we'll all have to buy one of these cards from machines that you top up. 

That seems to be the money grabbing basturds method of choice when it comes to stadiums and big venues these days. 

 

Cash is a thing of the past, most people work contactless via card, phone or even watch now. This is not even an issue in 2022. 10 years ago maybe yes but the world has moved on. 

[huncunts]

On 6/30/2022 at 4:24 PM, Cambridge Red said:

I don't think the food and drink would be overpriced. Reason I say that is because Rob Wicks said in the interview on Red tinted glasses that one of the main things he took away from his visit to Atlanta was that they try and make the food and drink as affordable as possible to encourage folk to come early and eat and drink prior to the game

Why don’t they do that at Pittodrie then? Wicks and Cormack love to speak about ideas and not actually do them. It’s consistent and strange.

[muttonhumper]

13 minutes ago, Gooby1983 said:

Cash is a thing of the past, most people work contactless via card, phone or even watch now. This is not even an issue in 2022. 10 years ago maybe yes but the world has moved on. 

Nae really.

Though, acknowledged, card use has been on the up for the period you mentioned.
Personally much prefer cash.

Though whipping oot 50s on a recent trip to ABZ certainly intimidated many who I was purchasing goods (beer/food) from.
Fucking Brewdog Castlegate did nae even tak cash. In theory, should have just fucked off with the beer on the premise of having offered the dosh to them.

In Cyprus, cash is king. Thankfully.
Much more civilised.

[Millertime]

21 minutes ago, huncunts said:

Why don’t they do that at Pittodrie then? Wicks and Cormack love to speak about ideas and not actually do them. It’s consistent and strange.

Because people are going to be at Pittodrie anyway, that's why

The idea of competitive pricing in the new stadium, is to encourage people there outwith match days

[NEM]

53 minutes ago, Gooby1983 said:

Cash is a thing of the past, most people work contactless via card, phone or even watch now. This is not even an issue in 2022. 10 years ago maybe yes but the world has moved on. 

@caledonia

[Helmet]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:41 PM, redcryptoknight said:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen-aberdeenshire/4470516/aberdeen-beach-stadium-plague-warning/?commentCount

Expert says there is ‘zero risk’ new Aberdeen stadium could unleash plague by disturbing burial pits

Emeritus professor at Aberdeen University, Hugh Pennington, said: "That plague pit banter is pure pish."

Just a tabloid rag trying to create a sensationalist story on the back of the wittering of some daft old bint who knows nothing.

[Dandyesque]

On 6/30/2022 at 4:55 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

I like Wicks MT, so I'm not having a go at him. 

I just can't see us attracting lots of people early to games on a regular basis, it's just not in our DNA 

Neither were coffee shops and nail bars until 10-20 years ago and now you can't move 10 yards in town without seeing one.

[Guest findlay_1903]

The whole thing is a pipe dream. Can’t believe some of the red army lap this stuff up. We will still be at Pittodrie in 10/15 years time. Do us just fine with our 9/10k attendances. Save going massively into debt to achieve exactly the same. COYR

[Helmet]

2 minutes ago, findlay_1903 said:

The whole thing is a pipe dream. Can’t believe some of the red army lap this stuff up. We will still be at Pittodrie in 10/15 years time. Do us just fine with our 9/10k attendances. Save going massively into debt to achieve exactly the same. COYR

Is Pittodrie free to operate now?

[Guest findlay_1903]

44 minutes ago, Helmet said:

Is Pittodrie free to operate now?

No, of course not. That would be ridiculous. 

[Andy_123]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/11/16/beachfront-stadium-plans-update/ 

Bit of a pointless update really.

The club should go back and ask the council if they have all their funding in place yet. I’d bet they don’t. 

[The Boofon]

3 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

https://www.afc.co.uk/2022/11/16/beachfront-stadium-plans-update/ 

Bit of a pointless update really.

The club should go back and ask the council if they have all their funding in place yet. I’d bet they don’t. 

 

 

Here's the P&J article for you since it's behind a paywall.

 

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen-aberdeenshire/5039821/dave-cormack-council/

 

Aberdeen council leaders have scorched any hopes of public cash going towards a new Dons stadium at the beach.

Plans for the £80 million ground, predicted to bring about a “billion-pound boost”, have been left hanging in the balance after an explosive back-and-forth today.

Council co-leader, Ian Yuill, told the P&J it would be down to the club alone if they want to build the stadium.

He was speaking on behalf of the ruling SNP and Liberal Democrat coalition, which commands a majority of 24 of the 45 councillors in Aberdeen.

The local Lib Dem leader said: “We are not in the business of putting council money into football stadiums.”

It comes after Aberdeen FC chairman Dave Cormack lifted the lid on “premature” council requests about how much money the Dons could put towards the new stadium.

In a message shared online today with supporters, Mr Cormack revealed the shock call for financial details.

The request hinted at a growing aversion to the scheme which Mr Yuill has now confirmed.

 

The Dons had been set to move to Kingsford when council leaders approached them about staying in the city almost two years ago.

At that time, the local authority indicated it would contribute some of the £150m cash for the city centre and beach masterplan towards the arena.

They wanted it to act as a “centrepiece” for the multi-million-pound seafront revamp.

And recent economic studies indicated it would inject £20m into the local economy every year of its 50-year lifespan.

 

But Mr Cormack has been clear in the past that it would only become a reality depending on talks with the council.

In an appeal for capital, he said: “It really is going to come down to the new SNP and Liberal Democrat administration to make the decision on what this looks like going forward.”

New stadium a source of conflict in crunch coalition talks
But much has changed since then, with the Labour and Conservative-led administration now replaced with an SNP and Liberal Democrat group at the helm of the council.

Lib Dem group leader Ian Yuill has previously railed against any public cash being invested in a new Dons stadium.

 

Before May’s election, the group’s manifesto ruled out using public funds on the replacement for Pittodrie.

However, their new SNP partners campaigned on a promise to deliver the ground.

During talks to form a ruling group, the two sides came to a compromise that the council would “not use public funds except where collaborative working is mutually beneficial”.

Yuill blasts lack of information as he quashes Dons hopes
But this afternoon, Mr Yuill revealed that a decision appears to have been reached not to help the project get off the ground.

While he said the ruling coalition would be “happy to have discussions” with Aberdeen FC, the council has not yet received any “detailed proposals”.

The veteran councillor added: “If Aberdeen FC want to be part of our beach masterplan with a new stadium then we need to know how they propose to fund that.

“That is why the council wrote to the club.

 

‘Schools and roads must take priority’
Mr Yuill stressed that the stadium plans come at a time when the council is facing unprecedented financial challenges.

He said: “Our priority is investing very scarce public funds in facilities that will benefit people in Aberdeen, like schools, libraries, roads and sports facilities.

“These are the public facilities we have a legal duty to provide.

“The decision about taking forward the football stadium is for Aberdeen FC.”

Dave Cormack lifts lid on letter from the council
Mr Yuill’s comments come weeks after the leader of Aberdeen’s SNP group, Alex Nicoll, appeared to distance himself from the issue by urging his colleagues not to attend talks on the Dons proposals.

And it was against this backdrop that the authority’s director of resources, Steve Whyte, wrote to Aberdeen FC last week asking if the Dons had “full funding” in place for the stadium themselves.

 

Mr Cormack’s message, shared this afternoon, explains: “Last week the council asked the club to confirm if the full funding for a new net-zero stadium at the beach had been secured.

“We have informed the council we do not yet have the level of detail on construction, procurement, funding development, ownership and the ongoing operation of the proposed facilities to have meaningful conversations about funding.”

Mr Cormack adds that the Dons are in “preliminary discussions” about securing cash for the mammoth project.

 

Dave Cormack insists club remains committed to council’s vision
The message also states that “since the council approached the club” about remaining in the city, the Dons have “willingly and enthusiastically” ploughed “considerable time and resources” into its potential design and operation.

It adds: “We are prepared to continue to invest time and resources to play our part.

 

Chairman remains coy on amount of council cash expected
Citing an economic report released last month, Mr Cormack stressed that the arena would bring the city a £1bn boost over its 50-year lifespan.

And while not specifying any particular sum, he has made it clear he would expect a “relatively small capital investment” in return for such a “prize”.

He previously claimed that, in America, local authorities would be eager to contribute to such a scheme – with signs boasting about “your tax dollars at work” placed around the construction site.

[The Gee Man]

Anything SNP is not interested in football, the stadium will not be at the beech front 

[zeroisgod76]

Is anyone really surprised by this? It was only ever going to be a matter of time until the council tried to find ways out of the plan. The whole beach masterplan is nothing but pie in the sky. Give it a year or so and Kingsford will be back on. Never trust Aberdeen City Council.

 

[sooth_stander]

16 minutes ago, The Boofon said:

 

 

Here's the P&J article for you since it's behind a paywall.

 

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen-aberdeenshire/5039821/dave-cormack-council/

 

Aberdeen council leaders have scorched any hopes of public cash going towards a new Dons stadium at the beach.

Plans for the £80 million ground, predicted to bring about a “billion-pound boost”, have been left hanging in the balance after an explosive back-and-forth today.

Council co-leader, Ian Yuill, told the P&J it would be down to the club alone if they want to build the stadium.

He was speaking on behalf of the ruling SNP and Liberal Democrat coalition, which commands a majority of 24 of the 45 councillors in Aberdeen.

The local Lib Dem leader said: “We are not in the business of putting council money into football stadiums.”

It comes after Aberdeen FC chairman Dave Cormack lifted the lid on “premature” council requests about how much money the Dons could put towards the new stadium.

In a message shared online today with supporters, Mr Cormack revealed the shock call for financial details.

The request hinted at a growing aversion to the scheme which Mr Yuill has now confirmed.

 

The Dons had been set to move to Kingsford when council leaders approached them about staying in the city almost two years ago.

At that time, the local authority indicated it would contribute some of the £150m cash for the city centre and beach masterplan towards the arena.

They wanted it to act as a “centrepiece” for the multi-million-pound seafront revamp.

And recent economic studies indicated it would inject £20m into the local economy every year of its 50-year lifespan.

 

But Mr Cormack has been clear in the past that it would only become a reality depending on talks with the council.

In an appeal for capital, he said: “It really is going to come down to the new SNP and Liberal Democrat administration to make the decision on what this looks like going forward.”

New stadium a source of conflict in crunch coalition talks
But much has changed since then, with the Labour and Conservative-led administration now replaced with an SNP and Liberal Democrat group at the helm of the council.

Lib Dem group leader Ian Yuill has previously railed against any public cash being invested in a new Dons stadium.

 

Before May’s election, the group’s manifesto ruled out using public funds on the replacement for Pittodrie.

However, their new SNP partners campaigned on a promise to deliver the ground.

During talks to form a ruling group, the two sides came to a compromise that the council would “not use public funds except where collaborative working is mutually beneficial”.

Yuill blasts lack of information as he quashes Dons hopes
But this afternoon, Mr Yuill revealed that a decision appears to have been reached not to help the project get off the ground.

While he said the ruling coalition would be “happy to have discussions” with Aberdeen FC, the council has not yet received any “detailed proposals”.

The veteran councillor added: “If Aberdeen FC want to be part of our beach masterplan with a new stadium then we need to know how they propose to fund that.

“That is why the council wrote to the club.

 

‘Schools and roads must take priority’
Mr Yuill stressed that the stadium plans come at a time when the council is facing unprecedented financial challenges.

He said: “Our priority is investing very scarce public funds in facilities that will benefit people in Aberdeen, like schools, libraries, roads and sports facilities.

“These are the public facilities we have a legal duty to provide.

“The decision about taking forward the football stadium is for Aberdeen FC.”

Dave Cormack lifts lid on letter from the council
Mr Yuill’s comments come weeks after the leader of Aberdeen’s SNP group, Alex Nicoll, appeared to distance himself from the issue by urging his colleagues not to attend talks on the Dons proposals.

And it was against this backdrop that the authority’s director of resources, Steve Whyte, wrote to Aberdeen FC last week asking if the Dons had “full funding” in place for the stadium themselves.

 

Mr Cormack’s message, shared this afternoon, explains: “Last week the council asked the club to confirm if the full funding for a new net-zero stadium at the beach had been secured.

“We have informed the council we do not yet have the level of detail on construction, procurement, funding development, ownership and the ongoing operation of the proposed facilities to have meaningful conversations about funding.”

Mr Cormack adds that the Dons are in “preliminary discussions” about securing cash for the mammoth project.

 

Dave Cormack insists club remains committed to council’s vision
The message also states that “since the council approached the club” about remaining in the city, the Dons have “willingly and enthusiastically” ploughed “considerable time and resources” into its potential design and operation.

It adds: “We are prepared to continue to invest time and resources to play our part.

 

Chairman remains coy on amount of council cash expected
Citing an economic report released last month, Mr Cormack stressed that the arena would bring the city a £1bn boost over its 50-year lifespan.

And while not specifying any particular sum, he has made it clear he would expect a “relatively small capital investment” in return for such a “prize”.

He previously claimed that, in America, local authorities would be eager to contribute to such a scheme – with signs boasting about “your tax dollars at work” placed around the construction site.

Another year or so of wasted time. Who knew?

Did the previous Labour and Conservative-led administration promise some level of financial help?

Amazed that somebody as savvy as Cormack allowed himself to get sucked into the murky shambles that is Aberdeen City Council and the child like politics that that entails.

[Andy_123]

9 minutes ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Is anyone really surprised by this? It was only ever going to be a matter of time until the council tried to find ways out of the plan. The whole beach masterplan is nothing but pie in the sky. Give it a year or so and Kingsford will be back on. Never trust Aberdeen City Council.

 

I’ve said that since the day the council announced they wanted to keep them at the beach.

Just hot air to try and appease the public, all while throwing AFC under the bus because now they’ll get untold amounts of grief for not building at the beach.

The council were never going to help fund the stadium. Surprised anyone ever thought they would.

[zeroisgod76]

3 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

I’ve said that since the day the council announced they wanted to keep them at the beach.

Just hot air to try and appease the public, all while throwing AFC under the bus because now they’ll get untold amounts of grief for not building at the beach.

The council were never going to help fund the stadium. Surprised anyone ever thought they would.

Same, said that since day 1.... not sure why anyone would have been gullible enough to actually believe it would happen. We have the most backwards and corrupt council, always have and always will.... doesn't matter which party is in charge they will never, ever do the best for the city.

[MegaloDon]

3 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

I’ve said that since the day the council announced they wanted to keep them at the beach.

Just hot air to try and appease the public, all while throwing AFC under the bus because now they’ll get untold amounts of grief for not building at the beach.

The council were never going to help fund the stadium. Surprised anyone ever thought they would.

I don't think afc ever had plans of funding it either

[NEM]

Ah well staying at Pittodrie it is then 😎

 

Fuck the council

[sooth_stander]

12 minutes ago, NEM said:

Ah well staying at Pittodrie it is then 😎

Fuck the council

Aye, and fuck Kingsford too.

If the value of the land that Pittodrie sits on had increased in line with the increase in new stadium build costs, then I could see Cormack's reasoning in a new stadium, given he wanted to cash in on the value of Pittodrie but given land values haven't increased at all, even more reason for staying where we are and replacing the 3 stands over a 10 to 15 year period.

[zeroisgod76]

7 minutes ago, NEM said:

Ah well staying at Pittodrie it is then 😎

Short term aye.... long term thats never going to happen either. We need to move.

[aberdeen1970]

If the future ambition is to downgrade to a capacity of 16-18k anyway we should just redevelop Pittodrie. 

Start with the Main Stand and Merkland and then do the South at a later date. 

Surely we can fit a 16-18k stadium into a site that has previously had seating capacity of 22k?

[The Boofon]

3 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

If the future ambition is to downgrade to a capacity of 16-18k anyway we should just redevelop Pittodrie. 

Start with the Main Stand and Merkland and then do the South at a later date. 

Surely we can fit a 16-18k stadium into a site that has previously had seating capacity of 22k?

Haha. This is like Groundhog day.

 

That can't be done due to regulations now regarding space out with the stadium in case of emergencies etc. 

 

@The Hulk was best on all this stuff.

[sooth_stander]

5 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

If the future ambition is to downgrade to a capacity of 16-18k anyway we should just redevelop Pittodrie. 

Start with the Main Stand and Merkland and then do the South at a later date. 

Surely we can fit a 16-18k stadium into a site that has previously had seating capacity of 22k?

No brainer. People say the proximity of the streets behind the Main and Merkland stands prohibits their replacement but look at Easter Rd, and how Hibs managed it? We've arguably got even more depth than they have, to build steep, even 2 tier, stands in their place.

[NEM]

11 minutes ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Short term aye.... long term thats never going to happen either. We need to move.

Aye so they've been saying for the past 20 odd years 😴

 

3 minutes ago, sooth_stander said:

No brainer. People say the proximity of the streets behind the Main and Merkland stands prohibits their replacement but look at Easter Rd, and how Hibs managed it? We've arguably got even more depth than they have, to build steep, even 2 tier, stands in their place.

Correct.  Fuck Kingsford