VAR in the SPFL

[muttonhumper]

Dreading this shite.

We're going to be fucked by it left, right and centre.

Probably.

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, muttonhumper said:

Dreading this shite.

We're going to be fucked by it left, right and centre.

Probably.

It's how it's implemented that's key, not the technology itself. If you keep it simple, there's no issues. It's the inconsistency with someone in a room overstepping thier remit that's been it's problem to date. Ref should be solely to judge via the pitchside monitor. End of.

Offside decisions are baffling. Hopefully we don't see that carry on.

[muttonhumper]

24 minutes ago, Tinyweelad said:

It's how it's implemented that's key

Exactly.

That's why I'm dreading it.

[Bamber]

I think the whole implementation is wrong the final decision is the ref BUT he can abdicate that and ask a VAR ref to make the decision he doesn’t have to.  
 

as mentioned a challenge system is far better 1 or 2 per half 1 for added time. Get it back if you are right and the ref is wrong. This the ranks referees as well the more challenges against the mor negative points to the ref and allows demon toon and promotion. You are now improving referees instead of letting them off making a decision.  
 

only the captain can challenge. He also carries a var challenge card. He hands it over to make a challenge.  Gets it handed back if challenge succeeds ref keeps it if not.  Var will come down on refs side if it’s debatable ( they won’t want to impact a fellow ref) but if clear and obvious the come down on the players side

ref is allowed to cancel a review if there is foul and abusive language by fans during review after 1 verbal and one tannoyed warning

 

 

[Ten Caat]

14 minutes ago, Bamber said:

I think the whole implementation is wrong the final decision is the ref BUT he can abdicate that and ask a VAR ref to make the decision he doesn’t have to.  
 

as mentioned a challenge system is far better 1 or 2 per half 1 for added time. Get it back if you are right and the ref is wrong. This the ranks referees as well the more challenges against the mor negative points to the ref and allows demon toon and promotion. You are now improving referees instead of letting them off making a decision.  
 

only the captain can challenge. He also carries a var challenge card. He hands it over to make a challenge.  Gets it handed back if challenge succeeds ref keeps it if not.  Var will come down on refs side if it’s debatable ( they won’t want to impact a fellow ref) but if clear and obvious the come down on the players side

ref is allowed to cancel a review if there is foul and abusive language by fans during review after 1 verbal and one tannoyed warning

 

 

Where is he going to keep it? Crack of his arse? 

[muttonhumper]

6 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

Crack of his arse? 

My favourite Polish city.
Though shout out to Gdansk.

Marvellous.

[Bamber]

29 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

Where is he going to keep it? Crack of his arse? 

oh i know  such a hard one - if some one could invent a flap of cloth and sew it to a top or shorts. What to call it a cave? oh what about a pocket that might do it

[starryfish]

No word of any Pittodrie infrastructure improvements ahead of VAR’s implementation? Last I heard was it was going to start mid October.

[Zander1903]

shit ref's & corrupt officials

can we expect anything better this comes online

[muttonhumper]

7 minutes ago, Zander1903 said:

shit ref's & corrupt officials

can we expect anything better this comes online

Nope.

Just another layer for them to fuck us over with.

[Ke1t]

12 minutes ago, muttonhumper said:

Nope.

Just another layer for them to fuck us over with.

I don't see it that way. 

Referees constantly give decisions based on bias, obscured views, crowd and player reactions etc. 

If they're forced to go watch a replay then they have zero excuse for not making a more informed decision, regardless of the thousands of baying Huns that would ordinarily influence the decision. 

[Tord31]

5 hours ago, starryfish said:

No word of any Pittodrie infrastructure improvements ahead of VAR’s implementation? Last I heard was it was going to start mid October.

no infrastructure.

Ref comes over to see Henry Apaloos ipad

[fine-n-dandy]

5 hours ago, Ke1t said:

I don't see it that way. 

Referees constantly give decisions based on bias, obscured views, crowd and player reactions etc. 

If they're forced to go watch a replay then they have zero excuse for not making a more informed decision, regardless of the thousands of baying Huns that would ordinarily influence the decision. 

Doesn’t matter if the guy on VAR is a hun. 
 

He just gets in refs & says ‘nope nothing to see here, you made right call, carry on’

[maryhilldon]

I'm of the opinion that VAR can only help. Some of the decisions that go against us are so blatantly wrong that even the most inept VAR official would struggle to make the wrong call. I reckon it'll save us about 10 points a season. 

[maryhilldon]

Hun refs hate us. They can't get away with fucking over Celtic in the same way because of the media scrutiny and bullets in the post,  but no-ones paying much attention when we get screwed over.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

I’ve no idea if there’s figures from England yet to back this up.  My PERCEPTION is that good players will attract more fouls than they’ll commit.  One would think VAR decisions would reflect that.

I completely accept this won’t apply if good players start / continue to act the cunt with diving and so forth.  Hopefully VAR and stronger refereeing will help to sort that out.

[Ke1t]

2 hours ago, fine-n-dandy said:

Doesn’t matter if the guy on VAR is a hun. 
 

He just gets in refs & says ‘nope nothing to see here, you made right call, carry on’

The footage will later be viewed by everyone in the country, and the BitB is then going to have to explain why, even with VAR, he couldn't see what everyone else in the country could see.  As it stands they have plausible deniability, "Didn't see it, my bad. Whoopsie. Still, Sevco/Celtic have the points now, so nothing to be done." VAR removes that plausible deniability. 

It puts them in a much harder and more exposed position, and that only helps the shite teams such as ourselves. 

[maryhilldon]

20 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

The footage will later be viewed by everyone in the country, and the BitB is then going to have to explain why, even with VAR, he couldn't see what everyone else in the country could see.  As it stands they have plausible deniability, "Didn't see it, my bad. Whoopsie. Still, Sevco/Celtic have the points now, so nothing to be done." VAR removes that plausible deniability. 

It puts them in a much harder and more exposed position, and that only helps the shite teams such as ourselves. 

Bang on.  Harder to justify an 'honest mistake ' after you've watched 20 replays.

[RUL]

It’ll be a shambles with those in the stadium left clueless as to what is going on, as the ref tries to get the wi fi at pittodrie working long enough to see the replay on the iPad. 

[Helmet]

On 7/20/2022 at 8:00 PM, Roberto said:

Sounds amateur as fuck.

It'll fit in well with Scottish fitba.

Our refs are still paid amateurs I think?

Surprises me we can find the money for VAR when for decades we've been told a professional refereeing service would be too expensive.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

5 hours ago, Ke1t said:

The footage will later be viewed by everyone in the country, and the BitB is then going to have to explain why, even with VAR, he couldn't see what everyone else in the country could see.  As it stands they have plausible deniability, "Didn't see it, my bad. Whoopsie. Still, Sevco/Celtic have the points now, so nothing to be done." VAR removes that plausible deniability. 

It puts them in a much harder and more exposed position, and that only helps the shite teams such as ourselves. 

Don’t agree with the last bit.  Better players will benefit.  Yes we might get the crucial one offs we weren’t getting before for the reasons you state but I’d expect them to be getting far far more.  The old getting in their faces, getting in about them, let them know they’re in a game…just can’t see VAR being sympathetic to that.

Hope I’m wrong.

[Millertime]

Ours is a "diet" version, eh?

What does that actually mean?

There's obviously no big screen, but is there a pitch side monitor?

And no fancy "countless views with lines drawn", is it literally just watching a sportscene style replay?

[The Gee Man]

Can’t see how introducing it half way through a season is fair! Guaranteed a similar incident we lost out too will happen and var will spot and we lose out again. The traditional “levelling up” will be lost 

[NEM]

Unless they get foreign refs in to operate the system then the likes of us will continue to be fucked over.  Any goal against the huns will be pored over looking for the slightest infringement in the build up whereas all but the most blatant breaking of the rules for their goals will be ignored

[RedDevilFish]

So it’s well documented that Ref’s get influenced by large crowds (have a look at some of the stats for matches played in empty stadiums during lockdown) - I think VAR will help negate some of this so I’m expecting us to probably be better off against the cheeks and away games in Edinburgh but worse off in most other matches. I’m actually quite surprised the cheeks didn’t try and block it - thought they would for this reason. Probably too dumb to realise or they have something else up their sleeves like others have said…

[HaarDon]

I'd love VAR in my house.

 

I might win some arguments with the wife.

 

Then again...?

[WesthillWanderersFC]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

Ours is a "diet" version, eh?

What does that actually mean?

There's obviously no big screen, but is there a pitch side monitor?

And no fancy "countless views with lines drawn", is it literally just watching a sportscene style replay?

Doesn’t matter what version we have.

If the referees using it are corrupt or inept, then it’ll just lead to the same controversies, only magnified because they don’t have the excuse of getting one view in real time. 

[The Gee Man]

11 minutes ago, HaarDon said:

I'd love VAR in my house.

 

I might win some arguments with the wife.

 

Then again...?

Var will never replace the wife being right all the time! 

[RUL]

3 hours ago, Millertime said:

Ours is a "diet" version, eh?

What does that actually mean?

There's obviously no big screen, but is there a pitch side monitor?

And no fancy "countless views with lines drawn", is it literally just watching a sportscene style replay?

I think it’s on an iPad rather than a screen. No doubt someone will forget the passcode. 

[King Street Loon]

Even these refs reckon Porteous is a cheat. And Johnson not much better for encouraging his players to cheat. Obviously work on it regularly. 

First topic if you care to listen.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5jDaKfGM4IgZGlLFMGj7eF?si=sHQ1C_GhSxy9osXTocG2hw&utm_source=copy-link