aberdeen1970 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Just now, North_Andy_Dandy said: I don’t blame VAR, it’s the refs using it. The inconsistency across all the decisions are a disgrace. The SFS need to seriously invest to raise the standard. They need to become full time and get some experienced former refs into the train them. Full time refs will make no difference. It's a complete cultural change we need. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Crossbow said: VAR stops them cheating on offside goals. That’s it’s one fair use as they can’t draw a wiggly line. Not really, the morelos goal against us at Ibrox was reviewed for offside, multiple angles of harvey knocking in the goal, he was clearly onside. The boy that crossed it 1st time possibly received the ball in an offside position, wasn't looked at. Incompetence or something else? Link to comment
Tommy Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Clancy appears to utilise var when it suits him. No way was that a pen. The fact he even watched replays of the incident and deemed it as a pen is embarrassing. Link to comment
Crossbow Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 minute ago, shut up meg said: Not really, the morelos goal against us at Ibrox was reviewed for offside, multiple angles of harvey knocking in the goal, he was clearly onside. The boy that crossed it 1st time possibly received the ball in an offside position, wasn't looked at. Incompetence or something else? A rhetorical question surely. Link to comment
Fridge Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 They should put the refs on mike so you can actually hear what the fuck they are on about and justify their decisions. It’s ridiculous on tv let alone when you’re at the game and have not one single idea what is going on. Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 The handball rule has become such a fucking minefield that I now think there's only one remedy Clearly you cannot do away with it.....so the only answer is to make every single instance of handball a free kick or penalty. Tough shit if it was unintentional or unavoidable. At least by doing this you would get consistency in things. Link to comment
Fridge Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ten Caat said: The handball rule has become such a fucking minefield that I now think there's only one remedy Clearly you cannot do away with it.....so the only answer is to make every single instance of handball a free kick or penalty. Tough shit if it was unintentional or unavoidable. At least by doing this you would get consistency in things. The problem with that though is rather than going for goal you would be better aiming at someone’s hand for the pen. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Fridge said: The problem with that though is rather than going for goal you would be better aiming at someone’s hand for the pen. Aye. Ball to hand and hand to ball were relatively straight forward for most people to work out. The new rules/laws are a mess. Sometimes I think the football authorities actually prefer rules that are ambiguous because it gives them wriggle room. Offside is another example of an over engineered solution. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: Aye. Ball to hand and hand to ball were relatively straight forward for most people to work out. The new rules/laws are a mess. Sometimes I think the football authorities actually prefer rules that are ambiguous because it gives them wriggle room. Offside is another example of an over engineered solution. Should either bin offside rule all together or use those player data things stuck on every players backs for offside calls. No arguments then Link to comment
RedForever Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Fridge said: The problem with that though is rather than going for goal you would be better aiming at someone’s hand for the pen. No the main problem with that is it will result in penalties been given against Rangers and Celtic so therefore it’s a non starter, right now the establishment have control of that! Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, RedForever said: No the main problem with that is it will result in penalties been given against Rangers and Celtic so therefore it’s a non starter, right now the establishment have control of that! The rules are made by FIFA not the SFA Link to comment
Joe pike Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, shut up meg said: The rules are made by FIFA not the SFA And interpetatrated by corrupt or useless refs. 1 Link to comment
For Fecks Sake Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, don corleone said: Very true. VAR really does highlight the blatant corruption that has long been rife in Scottish football. Rotten to its core. I don't buy into the whole corruption thing, more it's incompetence and VAR officials not being given clear guidance on how to interpret the rules correctly. 1 Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Not convinced the mistakes are entirely random that pure incompetence would bring. Not corruption per se. More a glazing concern. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 56 minutes ago, Joe pike said: And interpetatrated by corrupt or useless refs. Pre VAR it was one corrupt or useless ref getting it wrong. Post VAR it’s two corrupt or useless refs getting it wrong. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe pike said: And interpetatrated by corrupt or useless refs. I agree however the initial comment regarding the handball rule above mentioned changing it so all handballs were a foul, intentional or not, this progressed to @Fridge posting about targeting arms and @RedForever posting that it wouldn't change due as it would affect rangers and celtic. I only pointed out that the SFA cannot alter the rules of the game. Link to comment
Roberto Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said: I don't buy into the whole corruption thing, more it's incompetence and VAR officials not being given clear guidance on how to interpret the rules correctly. Wow Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said: I don't buy into the whole corruption thing, more it's incompetence and VAR officials not being given clear guidance on how to interpret the rules correctly. So Huns refereeing the Huns & Tims refereeing the Tims isn’t corrupt? 1 Link to comment
Fridge Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said: I don't buy into the whole corruption thing, more it's incompetence and VAR officials not being given clear guidance on how to interpret the rules correctly. Yeah but how fucking difficult can it be? Referee you would think must know the rules so within two seconds could say wtf happened, ball smacked off the boy’s dish and hit his hand. Ok cheers pen or no pen. Nae idea if that would actually be a pen or not as I’m nae a ref but anyone watching on tv can see what happened and it could be dealt within 2 secs. Link to comment
winchester83 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Crossbow said: VAR stops them cheating on offside goals. That’s it’s one fair use as they can’t draw a wiggly line. But it can breakdown conveniently Link to comment
For Fecks Sake Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 42 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: So Huns refereeing the Huns & Tims refereeing the Tims isn’t corrupt? No it's not corrupt, it's an unfortunate situation. If you removed all off the match officials who were either Celtic or Rangers fans you would be left with next to no match officials. The bulk of the Scottish population are central belt based and it's safe to assume that the bulk of match officials come from the central belt and in turn they will most likely be Celtic or Rangers fans. Referees should be made to explain their decisions with regards to certain situations for sure. 1 Link to comment
Redtillimdead Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, For Fecks Sake said: No it's not corrupt, it's an unfortunate situation. If you removed all off the match officials who were either Celtic or Rangers fans you would be left with next to no match officials. The bulk of the Scottish population are central belt based and it's safe to assume that the bulk of match officials come from the central belt and in turn they will most likely be Celtic or Rangers fans. Referees should be made to explain their decisions with regards to certain situations for sure. It's absolutely mental that known Huns and Tim's are allowed to ref their respective clubs. How can they possibly be unbiased. How long has it been since the Huns even conceded a penalty in the domestic game? Yet in Europe they gave away 3 or 4. Corrupt as fuck. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Redtillimdead said: It's absolutely mental that known Huns and Tim's are allowed to ref their respective clubs. How can they possibly be unbiased. How long has it been since the Huns even conceded a penalty in the domestic game? Yet in Europe they gave away 3 or 4. Corrupt as fuck. Even if they say they’re impartial, there’s “subconscious bias”. The trouble is, some of the time it looks like conscious bias. As long as there’s fans of the filth refereeing their games, the accusations & suspicions that the game in Scotland is corrupt will never go away. It’ll also always be that way & never change unless the clubs do something about it. Link to comment
englishred Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said: No it's not corrupt, it's an unfortunate situation. If you removed all off the match officials who were either Celtic or Rangers fans you would be left with next to no match officials. The bulk of the Scottish population are central belt based and it's safe to assume that the bulk of match officials come from the central belt and in turn they will most likely be Celtic or Rangers fans. Referees should be made to explain their decisions with regards to certain situations for sure. Well to be honest that's unfortunate however the SFA/SPFL need to find neutral refs , if that means employing English refs or other nationalities then so be it, having to play them 4 times each a season gives them a big enough advantage over everyone without further help. Only issue is that the scots refs might get shown up, the level of refereeing here is diabolical. Link to comment
Millertime Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 9:13 AM, WesthillWanderersFC said: Aye. The scum banned the BBC for years, for no reason. The BBC will now tip toe around the cunts for ever more so they don’t get banned again. That’ll be one of the reasons gave the Sportsound presenters job to a known hun supporter. To be fair, the BBC is extremely "celtic-minded", the BBC scotland sport side and I know that for a fact 2 Link to comment
Guest findlay_1903 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Millertime said: To be fair, the BBC is extremely "celtic-minded", the BBC scotland sport side and I know that for a fact What’s the fact? Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, findlay_1903 said: What’s the fact? 1 Link to comment
Durrant Dived Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 15 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said: No it's not corrupt, it's an unfortunate situation. If you removed all off the match officials who were either Celtic or Rangers fans you would be left with next to no match officials. That is corruption itself; they fucking only fast track weegie cunts to the top. Link to comment
Millertime Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: That is corruption itself; they fucking only fast track weegie cunts to the top. Do they? What are the names of potential refs from Aberdeen who haven't made it? Link to comment
Durrant Dived Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Millertime said: Do they? What are the names of potential refs from Aberdeen who haven't made it? I don't live in Aberdeen so wouldn't know. I know several Edinburgh refs that have been told they have hit the ceiling at Cat 2 before they have the opportunity to go to Cat 1. Link to comment
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